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Hearing that the first site will begin construction in August, estimated completion in October. Seems like they're moving quickly now that the admin side is in place.

Mostly, yes. We would typically drive around three hours between breaks and it will do that 180-200 miles comfortably enough. Exception might be in winter or when I'm driving solo, have no reason to stop (meals or restroom) and just want to crank out the miles home. Then maybe 250-300 miles of highway range would be a benefit.

Another one to add to your plethora of reports, Walter. Hopefully they roll out the red carpet when you visit... or just give you a hot desk in IONNA HQ to report from!

Right, it all seems to be about hedging bets at the moment. Don't miss the NACS/J3400 boat but also keep options open away from Superchargers. Keep close to a potentially large new network to split costs with competitors but forge your own exclusive partnerships at the same time. All while federal and state infrastructure dollars flow around to catalyze and confuse in equal measure. Love it or loathe it, one can't ignore the DCFC space!

Wee bit too stealthy for their own good. Can't hide now though... we know where they live!

Been looking in the daylight with a flashlight, there are those sneaky snakes

I can't see IONNA deploying much, if anything, at dealerships. Per GM's example, I think those are totally separate programs from any strategic public charging partnerships... no consistency across dealer hardware or installs, but laser-focused with Delta 350s for most of the EVgo/GM Energy sites. L2 is an interesting piece that most fast charging networks seem to want no part of. ChargePoint the obvious exception because of their business model. Possibly Flo as well, although they're not widespread yet. Although I'd like to see them help out on that side, I think we'll see more meaningful energy from dedicated L2 solutions providers.

Agreed. With a few notable exceptions, most locations across the country should now have an alternative for Ford, Rivian, and perhaps even GM EV model owners in time for summer travel. Combined with the additions of PFJ across the country and a bunch of regional providers, plus EA upgrades, I'm hopeful we have enough improvements compared to 2023 to handle this year's travel. IONNA will be fascinating to watch grow. They presumably have their pick of hardware, connector type/ratio, stall count, and a vast network of connections to leverage for property partners. Other than the rampant competition for prime locations, it's almost carte blanche to build the continental charging network they think it needs. Let's hope they're up to the challenge.

Is there any indication on what their business model will be? Will they be like EA and just throw hardware into retail parking lots or will they partner with a travel center network to install chargers? Or will it be something like Gridserve UK with bespoke stations?

Not really, only generic "customer-focused" stuff and a mention of "retail offerings, food, restrooms, and covered charging." Latter is nice but none of the details so far move beyond what any challenger network is saying publicly.

That makes sense, Eric, given they can't really monetize EV charging (outside the pennies of reselling electricity) without spinning up an entirely new business model. At dealerships there's some incentive with the service and sales aspect, but we know the limitations of those spots as a travel charging stop. After the layoffs, it could be argued that even Tesla doesn't much want to be a CPO. That's another where the network was required to prove their cars can replace ICE, rather than a money spinner in its own right.

Right, there's a lot to be said for being in the same room as your suppliers, whatever the tone of the conversation.

Bring it on!

Thanks, Mark. Ohio is all set to take the lead again on NEVI installations and Lincoln Electric just hosted the latest CHARIN Testival event. Lots of EV action in your region, even as the Southeast starts to take the headlines.

It will be interesting to see how they approach pricing and what kind of amenities we get for the price of entry. At the moment, the highest prices of any network are at the Pilot-Flying J sites, so clearly GM hasn't been able to sway the conversation there yet. Discounts are supposed to be in the works, though, so the collective aspect of that partnership could work to bring down prices. All a bit Wild West until the dust settles, which I expect will be several years away.

Thanks! I suppose there's a lot to co-ordinate when there are seven different entities setting up a single organization. Hopefully they've been using the quiet period to leverage the vast connections they must have across the various players and set up partnerships with site hosts that will deliver a quicker buildout.

True, choice and competition can only benefit the consumer. Thanks for watching and commenting.

Thanks Brian, I'm ready and engaged to see how you fare this summer as well! While the Ioniq 5's V2L has definitely been useful, it's restricted to the trunk area or rear seats unless you start to have extension cords trailing around the campsite. A power station might help to spread the load and also add some in-tent options, depending how we set up camp. It will be fun to experiment for sure. Thanks for watching and commenting.

Thank you!

Thanks Walter, trying to charge the car wasn't one I considered for this but in a pinch it could be an option. Very limited with probably under 10 miles added but it could possibly help in an emergency. I'm thinking the additional weight and lost space will end up making it almost a wash when used solely as a car charging backup, though.

Thanks for the thoughts :-)

Absolutely. Melrose is a fairly quiet suburb of Greater Boston, so perhaps not the main concern here, but easy to see the advantage of having vulnerable hardware above eye level in more volatile locations.

the key here is cost saving on installation. No concrete base and no buried conduit for wires. They are also mounted at a height where stray damage from car bumpers is not a problem either. The 20 cents per Kw is near what you pay for home electricity, so nobody is getting rich. This is the city providing a service.

Happens while you're parked doing other activities (home, work, errands). The inconvenient side is not being able to fuel where you park the car and wasting time/money every week on a dedicated gas errand.

Right, that much larger pack gives a lot of redundancy if we arrive at a high state of charge and have a plan for charging the next day. I'm intrigued to see which works better at different campsites and in different use cases...if it moves from interesting addition to essential item, I'll have a new front of battery-related reviews to explore :-)

So say we all! ☕

As I mentioned on the other video, always happy to answer follow-up questions. Over the years, the channel's audience has suggested they like a lot of nerdy EV details and data, so the phone app delivers that... things like battery temperature, voltage and amperage (which multiplied together, get you the overall power in kilowatts/kW), and all kinds of useful numbers for those viewers. Of course, the challenge is balancing that with giving those without a grounding in electric vehicles something they can take away as well. I do what I can, but this isn't my primary work and there's a big learning curve. Thanks for the feedback!

CCS is the charging connector type used by this EV. It stands for Combined Charging System. There are two other connector types used for fast charging in North America: Tesla's connector which is also called NACS/J3400, and CHAdeMO, which is now used on so few models that we don't typically cover it much any more. The industry in North America is gradually moving to J3400/NACS (North American Charging System), but both that and CCS will be around for many years to come.

Thanks for the comment, always happy to answer questions. This is a 2022 AWD Ioniq 5 Limited (top trim) in the USA. Boston, Massachusetts, to be precise. Not sure what first nine sessions you refer to as this video is a couple of years old but, again, happy to add context if you can clarify with a time stamp when I mention it. Cheers!

Hopefully the free charging shakes out here soon. Electrify America seems to be weaning automakers off it, even VW, but it's still around with EVgo and GM has hinted at discounts for its models at GM Energy sites, so it's not completely dead as a promotional tool. Those Hummer EV owners will definitely appreciate the savings, I suppose, though if you're buying one of those beasts I doubt charging costs are a major concern!

Very jealous! I only realized we should have booked another week and spent some time on the Boundary Waters while we were there... bookmarked for next time. Happy trails! ⚡

Balancing cost with power, I think. The main goal is to catalyze growth with a base of new stations, which I think NEVI is starting to achieve in some states. Higher power levels can always be added later, although the likes of PFJ are technically already 350kW capable, if you're not sharing.

@@plugandplayEV What’s the cost difference to put in a 350 vs a 150? And the cost difference of having to upgrade the 150 in 5 years? Seems silly and shortsighted to me.

Could be several hundred thousand dollars between the more expensive EVSE and potential power upgrades at a site. But I tend to agree with you. Of course, even 350kW installs could require an upgrade in 3-5 years time if the hardware isn't up to snuff... see EA over the last two years for just a glimpse of that risk.

@@plugandplayEV feels more like mfrs want to sell equipment with necessary built in incremental upgrades over time. The longterm profitability is likely immense vs upselling now.

Thanks, we appreciate the support and thoughts. I'd agree with the premise that apartment dwellers/non-homeowners are in larger numbers with the affordable EV buyers group, but would question the need for widespread DCFC to serve that category. L2 options where those vehicles park overnight, such as apartment lots, curbside charging, or where they're left during the day, such as workplace charging, should be the primary driver of adoption for these folks. If they're motivated by purchase price for the vehicle, we should also look to connect them with the less expensive charging options, which will rarely be a DC fast charger.

Those very people likely can’t afford 60c per kWh. That isn’t a solution for people who have no home or work charging access.

Not necessary for it to be detached. In my area, many town homes are going in. I think all that is needed is a garage.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Philadelphia on the list for early pilots, given the proximity to itselectric's base in NYC. In truth, there isn't a densely-populated city on the East Coast that wouldn't benefit from this system, given the rising levels of adoption and the natural fit of EVs in this setting, once the charging question is addressed.

I don't think there was any assertion that it was "funny" or odd behavior, just noting when the throttle occurs for new users in the North American market.

@@plugandplayEV - I mean it's funny to me, because anyone that doesn't know the conversions might think the temperatures are a bit random but they're multiples of ten in the scale that engineers would use worldwide.

@@ShawnGBR Understood, thanks. I have a couple of later videos that go deeper into the temps and provide the comparative number in Celsius. The US bubble does sometime take over the topic, though, so I'll try to present those more consistently.

Thanks! I like fastcharger.info for public fast charging sites. It's not bullet proof but does track changes such as planned stations and openings/reopenings, as well as letting you filter by state and CPO.

@@plugandplayEV Thank you very much, I'll take a look at this.

Sounds like an interconnection/final inspection delay. Tesla turns around the hardware install fairly quickly, as I found up in Maine with their first NEVI site (in ground Dec. 2023, energized April 2024), but it can often be months before the site is fully buttoned up.

Thanks for watching and commenting! ⚡🙏

None. We shopped for camping supplies and ate meals while the vehicle charged.

@@plugandplayEV so you didn’t have to charge? Are you just not going to say? Thanks for the honesty.

You used the loaded term "wasted". I'm saying it wasn't time wasted, as we planned necessary activities. Care to adjust your question?

We typically charge in 20 mins on trips, overnight at home. How much time do you spend at the gas station every week? Multiply that by 52 and share how much time you waste annually because you can't fuel at home.

@@plugandplayEVI only have to go to the gas station once every other week. But even taking your 52 times at 5 mins a fuel up I’m at about half the time you spent on your whole trip for a whole year of filling up. You’re retarded buddy. Cope harder. Wait until you trade it and see the real cost of the ownership.

Cheers, glad it's helpful! Hoping to get a visit back soon to test full capability on a warm pack and see if anything has changed with their process.